Italy need passport to internet /PH/FX

ITALY: Anyone visiting Italy and wanting to use an internet point, or cafe, will need to take along their passport - and be prepared for a major invasion of their privacy.

Anti-terrorist legislation prompted by the [false flag] London bombings in July imposes a string of new obligations on the managers of businesses offering the public access to communications.

As of this week, they must obtain - and, according to some interpretations, photocopy - the identity documents of anyone wishing to access the internet, send a fax or make a telephone call.

Not only that. They must also supply the police with records of the times at which customers enter and leave the premises and which computers or telephones they use.

Owners now need a licence to run an internet point or call shop, and to get one they have to provide detailed information about their business, including a floor plan of the premises.

Commercial communications centres have repeatedly cropped up in investigations into international terrorism. The first arrests in connection with the 2004 [false flag] Madrid train bombings were [allegedly] made at a call shop in the Lavapies district of the Spanish capital, which has a large immigrant community. France is reportedly planning to introduce similar legislation. [Sure!]

Andrew Pitt from Liverpool, who runs a combined call shop and internet cafe in Venice said his business had already been hit by the Italian law. [State Terror.]

"The problem is that tourists come along without their passports. Today, we have lost at least 15 customers because they didn't have any identification", Mr Pitt said.

"About 70% of our customers are American or British and they're just not used to this sort of thing. Italians don't usually complain because its normal to be asked to provide identification here."

Illegal immigrants in Italy will be deeply reluctant to provide identification, if indeed they have any. Most arrive without passports to ensure they are not repatriated.

An internet point manager in a part of Rome which has a large immigrant population told the daily Corriere della Sera that since the law came into effect about one in five of those entering the premises had refused to provide identification and left. At the city's biggest internet point, a spokesman was quoted as saying he had lost Italian customers too.

But that was because they used the facilities to visit web sites that were "let us say a bit special". [Rubbish!]

By John Hooper posted 2 October 05

John Hooper is the Guardian's Italy correspondent

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By the fact itself; "ipso facto, his innocence was established"

By the fact itself; by that very fact: An alien, ipso facto, has no right to a U.S. passport.

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"How could the Government have known about the atrocities?"

By the fact itself? By that very fact? The Government, ipso facto, has no right to claim it is not responsible for the abuse over the prisoner abuse scandal.

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Downer says Major O'Kane's involvement is not proof that the Government knew of the abuse of prisoners in Iraq.

How do you find proof? You have a letter from an Australian Army Officer dictating the rules of engagement that fall short of the Geneva Convention.

Downer: "I think it just shows how desperate some people are to try to make a link between Australia and the Abu Ghraib atrocities,"

"To suggest that somehow Australia is culpable in this whole exercise because an Australian Major, which is a very junior officer, was involved in some assistance with the drafting, or the full drafting of a letter, that's more over the top than almost any claim I've heard in a long time."

Downer says it is preposterous to suggest the letter means the Australian Government was involved in a cover-up of Iraqi prisoner abuse.

No, it means that the Australian Government has no shame when it comes to prisoner abuse.

The Liberal party think it's fair to abuse people and it does so everyday by keeping it's prisoners and detainees in conditions that are below the survival level. Like cold and hungry, no fresh air or sunlight, solitary confinement, no constructive lifestyle or exercise. We don't have to lay down the proof we have letters from the prisoners and detainees.

Downer: "You're so desperate that in the end you've found somebody who helped draft a letter," he said."[It's] not the person who signed the letter, not the person who was responsible for the letter but out of 50,000 serving personnel in the Australian Defence, [War], Force you can find one who helped draft a letter."

Downer says the Government has taken a lot of "abuse" about the issue.

"The ABC and the Labor Party are essentially making an argument here that somehow there was an Australian involvement in these Abu Ghraib atrocities," Downer said.

"Now, whenever I say that there are sucking in of breath. I'm going to finish this because we've put up with an enormous amount of abuse about this.

"Actually, if an Australian - if the Government is involved in a cover-up, then the Government therefore ipso facto must have known about the atrocities.

"How could the Government have known about the atrocities?"

By Factophobia 8 June 04

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Excerpts from The Poll Tax: A Dialogue of Political Philosophers

University of Oxford Department for Continuing Education, Undergraduate Philosophy Certificate, Assignment 6 Peter B. Lloyd.

Nozick: It's a social fiction! How would it be, if the majority decided to string the minority up from the gallows? No, Mr Locke, we have inalienable rights by virtue of our being human individuals, and they include the right to life and property. Nobody is entitled to violate those rights and ipso facto no government is entitled to.

Locke: Not so. If people have agreed to be bound by the laws of a government that works for the common good, and if the common good demands that some individuals should lose their property or even life, then so be it.

Mill: Tell me, John, if the common good dictated that, for some reason or other, you personally were to be hanged, would you go to the gallows with a good grace? Would you calmly acknowledge that, as a party to the social compact, you have a duty to place your head obediently in the hangman's noose?

Locke: Do you take me for a fool? I'd apply all my strength and resources to break free, and I'd be reckless what damage I did to save my neck. My political theory claims only that the state may have the right to take property and life from individuals, it does not oblige individuals to succumb willingly. If the state no longer serves a person's interests, then she would be prudent to secede from the social compact and become an outlaw, free of the gains and losses offered, and duties imposed, by the state.

Nozick: I never agreed to this supposed compact. Society had already been constituted for centuries before I was born. I never gave the government a right to take my property.

Locke: Leave it, then. Become an outlaw, or emigrate.

Nozick: My home and family are here. Why should I have to be uprooted to preserve my basic rights?

Locke: By chance you were born in a society whose government was created by a compact which empowers it to tax you. If you don't like it, leave it. If it's difficult to leave it, hard luck.

Nozick: Of practical necessity, I must stay. While I stay, however, I shall lend support to the Community Charge, which is the only equitable way to fund government departments that, like night-watchmen, look after the basic safety and security of our city.

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