By the fact itself; "ipso facto, his innocence was established"By the fact itself; by that very fact: An alien, ipso facto, has no right to a U.S. passport.
[War criminal], Alexander Downer: "Actually, if an Australian - if the Government is involved in a cover-up, then the Government therefore ipso facto must have known about the atrocities.
"How could the Government have known about the atrocities?"
By the fact itself? By that very fact? The Government, ipso facto, has no right to claim it is not responsible for the abuse over the prisoner abuse scandal.
Foreign Minister, [war criminal], Alexander Downer says revelations that an Australian Army officer helped draft a letter on the status of prisoners in Iraq are a desperate attempt to involve the Government in the prisoner abuse scandal.
But Australia is not fit to claim that it does not abuse it's own prisoners and detainees in Australia, including children in detention, so why the claim from this man who says there is some attempt to involve the Government in the prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq.
[War criminal], Prime Minister John Howard's own words,"If you compromise on something that is fundamental you don't win improved behaviour, from people who have misbehaved in the past."
ABC TV's Four Corners revealed last night that Australian lawyer Major George O'Kane helped draft a letter which said some prisoners would not be protected by the Geneva Convention.
Fundamental enough wouldn't you think?
The December 24 letter said the US Army took the legal view that "where absolute military security so requires, security internees will not obtain full Geneva Convention protection".
The letter was signed by the officer in charge of the Abu Ghraib prison, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski.
Downer says Major O'Kane's involvement is not proof that the Government knew of the abuse of prisoners in Iraq.
How do you find proof? You have a letter from an Australian Army Officer dictating the rules of engagement that fall short of the Geneva Convention.
Downer: "I think it just shows how desperate some people are to try to make a link between Australia and the Abu Ghraib atrocities,"
"To suggest that somehow Australia is culpable in this whole exercise because an Australian Major, which is a very junior officer, was involved in some assistance with the drafting, or the full drafting of a letter, that's more over the top than almost any claim I've heard in a long time."
Downer says it is preposterous to suggest the letter means the Australian Government was involved in a cover-up of Iraqi prisoner abuse.
No, it means that the Australian Government has no shame when it comes to prisoner abuse.
The Liberal party think it's fair to abuse people and it does so everyday by keeping it's prisoners and detainees in conditions that are below the survival level. Like cold and hungry, no fresh air or sunlight, solitary confinement, no constructive lifestyle or exercise. We don't have to lay down the proof we have letters from the prisoners and detainees.
Downer: "You're so desperate that in the end you've found somebody who helped draft a letter," he said."[It's] not the person who signed the letter, not the person who was responsible for the letter but out of 50,000 serving personnel in the Australian Defence, [War], Force you can find one who helped draft a letter."
Downer says the Government has taken a lot of "abuse" about the issue.
"The ABC and the Labor Party are essentially making an argument here that somehow there was an Australian involvement in these Abu Ghraib atrocities," Downer said.
"Now, whenever I say that there are sucking in of breath. I'm going to finish this because we've put up with an enormous amount of abuse about this.
"Actually, if an Australian - if the Government is involved in a cover-up, then the Government therefore ipso facto must have known about the atrocities.
"How could the Government have known about the atrocities?"
By Factophobia 8 June 04
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Excerpts from The Poll Tax: A Dialogue of Political Philosophers
University of Oxford Department for Continuing Education, Undergraduate Philosophy Certificate, Assignment 6 Peter B. Lloyd.
Nozick: It's a social fiction! How would it be, if the majority decided to string the minority up from the gallows? No, Mr Locke, we have inalienable rights by virtue of our being human individuals, and they include the right to life and property. Nobody is entitled to violate those rights and ipso facto no government is entitled to.
Locke: Not so. If people have agreed to be bound by the laws of a government that works for the common good, and if the common good demands that some individuals should lose their property or even life, then so be it.
Mill: Tell me, John, if the common good dictated that, for some reason or other, you personally were to be hanged, would you go to the gallows with a good grace? Would you calmly acknowledge that, as a party to the social compact, you have a duty to place your head obediently in the hangman's noose?
Locke: Do you take me for a fool? I'd apply all my strength and resources to break free, and I'd be reckless what damage I did to save my neck. My political theory claims only that the state may have the right to take property and life from individuals, it does not oblige individuals to succumb willingly. If the state no longer serves a person's interests, then she would be prudent to secede from the social compact and become an outlaw, free of the gains and losses offered, and duties imposed, by the state.
Nozick: I never agreed to this supposed compact. Society had already been constituted for centuries before I was born. I never gave the government a right to take my property.
Locke: Leave it, then. Become an outlaw, or emigrate.
Nozick: My home and family are here. Why should I have to be uprooted to preserve my basic rights?
Locke: By chance you were born in a society whose government was created by a compact which empowers it to tax you. If you don't like it, leave it. If it's difficult to leave it, hard luck.
Nozick: Of practical necessity, I must stay. While I stay, however, I shall lend support to the Community Charge, which is the only equitable way to fund government departments that, like night-watchmen, look after the basic safety and security of our city.
AUSTRALIA: PRISONERS' STRIKE
The world was shocked by the images of Abu Ghraib prisoner torture. But around the world the prisoner community knows that worse happens every day.
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A STRUGGLE ON TWO FRONTS: PRISONS & IMPERIALIST WAR
After a war waged by the U.S. military against Vietnam which took the lives of more than 3 million Vietnamese people and more than 58,000 GIs, the U.S. finally withdrew in 1975. It had suffered its first official major military defeat by a united people struggle led by the Vietnamese, along with a mass U.S. anti-war movement.
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State terror units caused the terror!
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