Wednesday, March 3, 2004

Individual Rights and Community Rights

ACT passes human rights laws

Individuals and minority groups need the right to be able to express themselves because they are treated differently from time to time. Why? Because they have been accused or they look different or they have a different culture.

Overwhelming Federal and State powers and the corporate media can usurp, judge, and crush any individual into being treated differently. It may be because they don't belong to the boys/girls club or the populist views ramped up by 'politicians' and the 'shock jocks'.

It may be okay if the politicians and shock jocks had mercy in their souls but if they have prestige in their souls then you're done over and not necessarily based on any truth or fact but someone else's ideal.

It may be okay if you are amongst some larger groups like The Anglican Church and you don't get picked on for your individuality and have overwhelming support but if you're amongst the minority you get nailed to the wall.

The Tall Poppy Syndrome is another one. People getting dragged out of their position and status because someone has the power to bring them down after making a name for themselves and generally working hard to achieve their goals.

Sure they might make a mistake but they may have had an extraordinary mitigating fact for doing so. They may have predisposing factors for doing so. They may not have made a mistake like, Pauline Hanson and go to jail for their 'belief" or their 'political opposition'.

Should Pauline Hanson have gone to gaol in the first place?: Carmen Lawrence

For example, the cost of running the NSW prison system is over $530 million each year and rising. In addition, the government spends around $90 million per year on building and maintaining prisons.

Even Rene Rivkin could have done Community Service.

Will and Dave the 'No War' bell ringers could have done Community Service instead of going to Jail.

The Anglican Church is concerned the ACT's new human rights laws will place the rights of the individual ahead of community values.

Like I said, The Anglican Church is in part an accepted and protected group of individuals in Australia because of their believe and built up trust over time in the community. You'd be treated better if you said you were Anglican than if you said you're Muslim.

The ACT Legislative Assembly last night passed Australia's first human rights legislation, despite opposition from the church and the, [war criminal dictator], Prime Minister.

The territory legislation is based on international covenants aimed at protecting individual, civil and political rights. As it should be.

It is the first time notions such as freedom of expression and conscience have been placed into Australian law.

The ACT Chief Minister, Jon Stanhope, says it is minimalist, concerned with promoting awareness of human rights amongst lawmakers and bureaucrats.

But the Opposition says its scope is broad and ill defined and could undermine the authority of the Parliament and the courts.

As if the authorities, parliament and the courts haven't got enough power over individuals. Especially when authorities have a different agenda like development opposed to community parks and recreation on public lands or by changing local council boundaries. Or when politicians lie for a vote, and courts bow to pressure of politicians and corporate media.

Anglican Bishop of the Canberra diocese George Browning says people should be encouraged to support each other rather than concentrate on individual freedoms. "What the Bill of Rights stands for of course is admirable, who wouldn't want to support individual rights, but that's not the issue," he said.

"The issue is if the community at large isn't robust and strong and cooperative then it doesn't matter what rights we have, they can't be nurtured because each individual is nurtured within a community."


The diagram above shows the major differences between the collectivist social order that is associated with takerism and the older, natural, social order of peoples such as the Australian aborigines and the tribes of the Amazon, who successfully followed Leaver principles for tens of thousands of years.

On the left, we see that individual species, humans and others, have inalienable rights. These rights are not granted and they cannot be withdrawn. They stem from the divine order that creates matter, structure, and life.

On the right, there is the concept of human-created collectivism, and bigger and bigger governments, all the way to a global, totalitarian state. The distinguishing feature is that, here, the 'order' in society is made by men, it is not natural. Nor is it divine.

Whereas natural rights, on the left, cover all living things, the artificial rights that are given and taken by nation states, on the right, only apply to humans. The dominant idea is, as Daniel Quinn observes, "Humans belong to an order of being that is separate from the rest of the living community (there's us and there's nature)."

Historically, there have been periods when legal distinctions between animals and humans have been blurred. For instance, in medieval Europe, in the 14th and 15th centuries, numerous trials and executions of animals occurred. One source identifies 34 recorded instances of pigs having been tried and cruelly put to death. Besides pigs; rats, chickens, goats, and bees were similarly tried. Some of the pigs were fully dressed in human clothes at the time they were, inevitably, found guilty. In one case a vicar excommunicated a flock of sparrows that infested his church. All this happened despite the theological stance that animals had no soul, and no morals or conscience. They could not really be guilty of transgressing the Rule of Law.

Clearly, there was a period of confusion in the West when remnants of the beliefs (some would say superstitions) of the old, pre-taker, tribal societies existed alongside the new doctrines and dogma of man-made collectivism and religious interpretation. Today the distinction has all been resolved. Even the UN groups that deal with animal matters are clear that animals do not have natural rights. They are merely 'there' to be exploited.

By Minority 3 March 04

THE MONK: To support each other we need tolerance as well. But communities have adopted zero tolerance in the past in the US and Australia. Community Values? So on behalf of the community and in relation to someone else's ideology or expectations, (that may not take into account our individual culture, experience and human infallibility) then I say the individual must be nurtured and community values must be flexible. "Three strikes and your out!" No!

You have the right to be here like me because we are children of our wonderful Universe. So Bio-mimicri is a better solution hey "where do we fit in here". Communities cannot make decisions for the individual based on the communities values all the time because they cannot be said to have been treated the same as the individual all the time. Minimum standard guidelines set out by the community are not always implemented or adhered to for a variety of reasons.

An individual needs to be invited into the decision making process so that we can learn more about the individual and get an obligation by the individual to fit in with the rest of the community as long as the community is flexible. Individual rights are not an issue if you're not being picked on by blind toothless people, dictators, fascists, shock jocks, politicians, police, courts and the populist view.

In short issues welled up because of someone in the communities concern or some groups power to maintain the status quo. Those who have the power to crush "you" like an "ant" whether you are wrong, right or different or indifferent.

It is my understanding the individual is at the foot in a long chain that starts from, the individual, then the community, the suburb, the city, the state, the nation, the world and the Universe the highest power. Micro, Mezzo a Macro. While standing in a line at the clinic of a prison I said to a friend. "To justice". He said, "To justice no." "To the Universe the highest power."

Being nurtured by the community is essentially people who "nurture nature". Like cradling a baby in your arms, a cradle swings below us nurturing us. That is if you care for all creatures' great and small.Not much point having rights if the community's authority does not recognise or implement them.

You have the right to a telephone call if you get an opportunity to use the phone. You have the right to a lawyer if ASIO gives you one of theirs. You have the right to silence if you're not locked up for 5 years by ASIO. You have the right to freedom of speech and expression if you have a right to be heard and the right to tell someone in the community (ASIO law not allowed to tell). And so it goes on and on.

After being in prison I know very well the only right you have is the right you are granted by the powers that be, regardless of the community and the law. That is why we need a Bill of Rights.


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