Dr Louise Porter on protecting children

"When I say that rewards and punishments have limited success what I mean is at the most they can only ever teach children to do as they're told and I think that's a very dangerous thing to do for children.

"It's dangerous because if we teach children to do as they're told they're vulnerable to abuse particularly sexual abuse, and Frieda Briggs who is a professor here in early childhood in Adelaide has interviewed perpetrators of sexual abuse and the single message from these individuals was, I would not have got away with it if the children had not been trained to do as they were told by adults. So individual children are vulnerable if we teach them to do as they're told.

"Secondly children are vulnerable, because most of the bullying that goes on in schools is actually mobbing, where one ringleader suggests to a couple of others to go and pick on some child [who] they don't like for one reason or another.

Now if the two followers or would-be followers said no, I'm not doing that, it's not kind, then the bullying wouldn't happen because the ringleader wouldn't have the courage to do it alone.

"And the third reason that teaching children to do as they're told is not a good idea, is that society is unsafe when it's peopled by individuals who follow the directives of the despots that are in the world, as we're experiencing at the moment.

So teaching children to do as they're told is not a good enough aim for behaviour management. Instead what I'd like children to learn to do is to think for themselves, what I call to be considerate.

Not to think what would happen to me if I get caught doing such and such misdeed but what effect would my behaviour have on other people."

- child psychologist and early learning specialist Dr Louise Porter

By Dr Louise Porter posted 19 October 04

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NSW Calls for Brogden curfew

The citizens of New South Wales are calling for a curfew on outrages statements made by John Brogden about stealing children away from their parents.

Threatening children is an offence.

Brogden must be sacked immediately and never be given a chance to ever use his position to oppose the current literature in relation to parent effectiveness training, raising children and the stolen generation.

Discipline, threats and punishment only get short-term results if any at all.

To address offending behaviour and get long term results you have to start inviting the children in the decision making process, John. If their parents haven't got the skills to pass onto their children then you can blame the curriculum. For children who are at risk of not getting social skills from their parents, then that is where school comes in? That is, if your school knows how to deal with at risk children.

If you invite the children into the decision making process then you get more information and an obligation from the children to behave. Then they'll like you John, and they won't think you're so rotten. Mr Liberal man?

If you take children away from their parents, then because you're a rotten meanie who is judging them, sooner or later, John, you're going to cop it.

New South Wales Opposition leader John Brogden is calling for a curfew to be introduced for children under the age of 14.

Brogden made the suggestion in Dubbo today.

He spent last night visiting a local Aboriginal centre in response to the recent Dubbo crime petition.

Eleven-thousand people signed the petition which calls for children as young as eight who commit crimes to be removed from their parents.

Brogden says children should only be removed from their parents in extreme cases. But he says something needs to be done to keep children off the streets both in Dubbo and greater New South Wales.

"I think were now getting close to the point where there is a significant problem in some parts of NSW, both city and country, that we need to trial the concept of a curfew for kids under 14," he said.

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SCHOOL teachers will be given back the right to discipline students without fear of serious child abuse allegations being used against them because they have guidelines.

The State Government has ordered a review of proposed changes to the child protection code after it was revealed children complaining of verbal or physical abuse should be able to report their teachers to child protection officers.

The modifications to the code will be completed within weeks.

Signalling a return to common sense, teachers also will be able to comfort distressed children in the playground and help them when they are hurt.

The guidelines covering one million students across NSW allow for allegations of non-physical "abuse" in the classroom.

Under provisions of the code, teachers can be investigated for "targeted and sustained criticism" of a student and for "belittling, teasing and making unreasonable demands". They are also prevented from "socially isolating" children who are disruptive or naughty in the classroom.

The changes revealed last month have incensed parents, teachers and school principals who believe the new rules seriously undermine class discipline and potentially jeopardise students' safety.

But is discipline another form of punishment and does punishment work?

In direct contravention of the rule of law and social justice punishment doesn't work. In terms of the current literature, where it has been stated that punishment and discipline are known to be offensive, and do not offer any form of result in long term, of child behavioural changes.

It is stated for instance in Parent Effectiveness Training by Thomas Gordan PHD in relation to having and obligation by the child to change his/her offending behaviour. It is better to invite the child in the decision making process, so that the child makes their own decision to change their offending behaviour, and also has an 'obligation' to do so because it was 'their' decision.

Why would the child want to change because it was disciplined or smacked? According to Chief Judge Justice Alistair Nicholson of the Family Court of Australia "Smacking a child ought to be seen as assault." He said.

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But smacking a child comes in many forms under the heading punishment. Locking a child in their room, taking away privileges and discipline are all forms of punishment.

Behind it all is the fact that if you raise your voice one-decibel then the only defence a child has to it is fear. When you have an obligation to discipline or punish children, they will be judged by you, the teacher, then right or wrong you're giving some form of master and slave ideology to them.

Result being that they hate you. Is that what you want? Or would it be better not to use power against them so that when they get out of school they are your friends.

Not just that, but they don't learn to punish, threaten or discipline anyone else, thinking they can get a result, by that sort of offensive behaviour.

It is understood the review ordered by Education Minister Andrew Refshauge will ensure that teachers can do their job without fear of recrimination.

"The code will remain but it will enable teachers to maintain discipline and not undermine them," a senior government source said yesterday.

"It will make clear that teachers can comfort a child in the playground [touching them if necessary] and help when they are hurt."

Public Schools Principals' Forum president Cheryl McBride said yesterday change was needed so those teachers could carry out their duty of care to students. "They need to be able to stop a child running across the road and also implement normal disciplinary measures," she said.

"That means being able to raise their voice without it being called child abuse or putting a child in the chair at the back of the room without it being emotional abuse."

Concerned parents have claimed the code undermines classroom discipline and potentially places children at risk of harm because of teachers' uncertainty.

Christine Wright, who has three children at Robert Townson Public School at Raby in Sydney's southwest, welcomed the Government's change of heart. "It [the code] has to be changed it just isn't right at the moment," she said.

School principal Brian Chudleigh said the policy change was a win for teachers. "It removes the fear that teachers have to act normally," Mr Chudleigh, who is also deputy chair of the Public Schools Principals Association, said.

"They will be able to safeguard the welfare of the children and it will also allow them to use fair and reasonable discipline."

Teachers across the state have expressed concern at being subjected to unfair or long investigations over trivial and/or malicious allegations.

GKCNN has learned, however, that in future minor allegations will not be pursued by child protection investigators and will be sent back to the school for resolution.

The Teachers' Federation, campaigning for changes to the code, has threatened a ban on excursions and other activities if its demands are not met.

Federation spokeswoman Jennifer Leete said yesterday teachers' concerns had been acknowledged but no changes had been delivered yet.

"Some issues cannot be addressed without legislative change such as the definition of child abuse in the Ombudsman's Act," Ms Leete said.

The Independent Education Union also has called for changes to the "unfair child protection laws" claiming they had placed the teaching profession at risk.

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THE STUDENT: Perhaps teachers and parents could go back to school and learn life skills, social skills or parent effectiveness training. Do our teachers lack these skills, because they never received them? Were they raised with mostly academic skills? If so, how can they create social justice in the classroom, if they don't have these skills to pass on to their students either.

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