NSW Calls for Brogden curfew

The citizens of New South Wales are calling for a curfew on outrages statements made by John Brogden about stealing children away from their parents.

Threatening children is an offence.

Brogden must be sacked immediately and never be given a chance to ever use his position to oppose the current literature in relation to parent effectiveness training, raising children and the stolen generation.

Discipline, threats and punishment only get short-term results if any at all.

To address offending behaviour and get long term results you have to start inviting the children in the decision making process, John. If their parents haven't got the skills to pass onto their children then you can blame the curriculum. For children who are at risk of not getting social skills from their parents, then that is where school comes in? That is, if your school knows how to deal with at risk children.

If you invite the children into the decision making process then you get more information and an obligation from the children to behave. Then they'll like you John, and they won't think you're so rotten. Mr Liberal man?

If you take children away from their parents, then because you're a rotten meanie who is judging them, sooner or later, John, you're going to cop it.

New South Wales Opposition leader John Brogden is calling for a curfew to be introduced for children under the age of 14.

Brogden made the suggestion in Dubbo today.

He spent last night visiting a local Aboriginal centre in response to the recent Dubbo crime petition.

Eleven-thousand people signed the petition which calls for children as young as eight who commit crimes to be removed from their parents.

Brogden says children should only be removed from their parents in extreme cases. But he says something needs to be done to keep children off the streets both in Dubbo and greater New South Wales.

"I think were now getting close to the point where there is a significant problem in some parts of NSW, both city and country, that we need to trial the concept of a curfew for kids under 14," he said.

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The law and order campaign is led by a Dubbo radio host, Leo De Kroo, who has gathered 11,000 signatures for a petition which calls, in part, for parents to be made responsible for their children's actions.

If parents do not, "children should be placed in suitable accommodation where self-esteem, education, health and responsibilities are taught". [?] Wrong!

That my friend is what school is for. If parents haven't got the skills to pass onto their children then their parents cannot be blamed either. The cycle of ideas has to be framed in the curriculum so that from now on children get social skills equal to academic skills. Then when everyone can relate they can go on to socialise better with each other without being locked in cages or fragmented from their families which would cause more trauma to the children who will probably grow up to hate you.

Shock Jock De Kroo has called for children as young as eight to be charged with criminal offences.

But children are innocent. At least that is my understanding. Fact is someone failed to share with them the ideas that are so very necessary in order to relate to others.

Who Mum, Dad?

Mum and dad did their best with the ideas they managed to learn before the children were born and while on the run raising them.

Brogden and the National Party leader, Andrew Stoner, yesterday hosted a press conference with Mr De Kroo, where they announced they would table the petition in Parliament.

Lock up the kid's petition?

Brogden called for a change to legislation to force parents to be more accountable for their children's crimes.

Force parents to give more than they have? Force and threats don't work and are both anti social, sorry 'Mr Broken'. [?] Sorry 'Mr Brogdon'. [?] Sorry 'Mr Brogden'. [?]

Three times proves it, anyway Brogden said, Oops lock me up!

Brogden: "In many of these cases kids as young as eight and 10 and 12 are on the streets in the early hours of the morning in Dubbo committing crimes.

"You have to ask yourself why are they on the streets, why aren't they at home, and in many cases it comes back down to parental responsibility," he said.

Stoner said he would consider proposing legislation that would lower the age of criminal responsibility for some crimes to 10 years old.

But parents are only responsible for what they know and what they can do. Where is the Book? How to raise children in Dubbo? No book!

Then why muck around. Get them when they're born and stick them in detention camps? Or re open Woomera? If we don't have kids there's no problem right?

Both said in some extreme circumstances it was necessary to remove children from their parents.

Before they're born or after they're born? You wouldn't want to take a risk that they'll get away now. Think of the additional cost of trying to find them. Think of the damage you can prevent them from doing.

Actually taking them before they're born off the people you think are more likely than not to raise a criminal.

We could call it the Dubbo Children's Community Protection Act 2003.

A spokesman for Brogden said the Opposition Leader's interest was in parental responsibility alone, distancing him from the racial overtones the debate has taken on in Dubbo.

But the Deputy Mayor of Dubbo, Warren Mundine, said it was impossible to view the petition and campaign outside the context of race. "People might say 'we haven't mentioned Aboriginal kids' but everyone knows what they are talking about."

The Premier, Bob Carr, yesterday told Parliament: "You cannot, except in the most extreme circumstances, remove Aboriginal children from their natural parents."

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